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Hello,
I am new to this site, what a wonderful resource! I have a question: In class last night one of my students asked me if he was doing this wrong, in sun salutation, his knees touch the mat during his transition from Chaturanga Dandasana to Upward facing dog. Is this something he should be trying to correct? Is it better to keep the knees off of the mat completely? (During updog his knees are OFF the mat.)
Any input would be appreciated!
Namaste!
Jennifer
NY
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Kurangu
Advanced Intermediate
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Hi,
It depend of different things. You have the accomplished asana, which has to be "perfect", but for many people, it takes time to built muscles, and manage any situation. Pay attention for them to stay in contol of there lower back. I'm affraid, I dont have enough vocabulary in english to tell you de different parts of the body. But one thing is that it is never necessary to push somebody to do an accomplished asana. To perform yoga... even if yoga is not supposed to be a performance, it is important to develop the back, for here in occident, and never let the student to make there body fall down. So if the person put her knees on the floor, it has to be with control and slowely. And when they quit the floor, it as to be with the same control.
There is another them talking about sun salutation in here, why dont you read too the Surya Namaskar ? You will enjoy dirrent comments.
Anouk
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Guess with your knees on the mat it would give you more liliosacrol (don't think I spelled that correctly) stretch vs the hamstring stretch that I feel ... I will give it a go for a couple of rounds and repost. As for upward dog my knees don't touch the mat unless I am very fatigued then providing the rest of my posture is correct I keep them on the mat.
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Hi Jennifer
Basically, in asthanga style of surya namaskar, the transition from chaturanga to upward facing dog should be on the toes all the while..the movement indeed from the toes...but this needs a lot of control & strength from arm, toes, ankle during the transition, honestly, a lot of us don't hv that strength yet so it might collapse from the chaturanga to the floor & touch the mat & lift again & become the upward facing dog... indeed, i feel there is nothing right or wrong, as the teacher always provide variation to students, for instance if student couldn't perform chaturanga, asthanga namaskar (salutation with eight limbs) or cobra instead of upward facing dog.....well i feel the more important thing in sun salutation is the flow & synchronise with the breathing..
well, i not really belong to asthanga yoga, but i do learn this from some of the teacher...hence i sincerely hope some experts in this forum can provide some valuable comments. ...thanks for posting..& i also can learn more from it... 
namaste
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Yogas Chitta-Vritti-Nirodha
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Kurangu
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Hi happy fish,
I just want to let you know my personnal email adress in case we want to speak to each other. It very interesting to listen to you. And the more I know you the more I trust you are a good person to know, and to shoose to know among the world. Your advitisments are made after reflexion. It is clear that it comes from your integration of the Yoga sutras, ot the basement of yoga. I will enjoy to keep in touch and exchange different information.
Anouk
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Thks ...btw, I hv added your email in my msn... I wl write an email to you shortly...
well, i feel if you are sincere, honest (satyam), speak from your true self...nothing goes wrong & hence you fearless...a great yogi speak for him/hemself, he/she is humble, people and students can feel and sense that..... you don't need advertisement... hahah... that is my principle...
wish you hv a nice day...
namaste
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Yogas Chitta-Vritti-Nirodha
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Thank you for all of the great advice! After doing some more research I advised the student that he could aim to improve his strength and form over time and try to eventually keep his knees off of the mat. I am also a pilates instructor and I find for many students thw concept of uding the core strength to keep the body in alignment is a hard one to get while in the posture. I think it takes many tries and physically experiencing this until one has an "Aha" moment and then it "feels right" and becomes clear.
This student also mentioned that he feels most of the tension in his shoulders when performing Plank. I should mention that he practices fairly regularly including on his own at home. I advised him to have the intention of pressing his hands more actively into the mat with the focus on squeezing his chest and again, pulling up the abdominals to support the back.
It's clear to me as I write this his weakness most certainly is his core strenght and that when he improves that his issues with his knees touvhing and shoulder tension will get better.
Namaste for all the help and insight!
Jennifer
Sanskrit name- Jaya (Victory Goddess)
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Perfect! Generally speaking most Americans lose most of their core strength when they get into their late twenties as the jobs they do require more sitting, then sitting in the car on the way home, sitting down for dinner, sitting in front of the tv, and then laying down for bed. Most people start these routines of exercise and have to awaken the core from a ten + year slumber and get it revitalized again.
Namaste
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I want to ask if a beginner like me can do the Surya-namaskar - Sun Salutation already or only an expert can practice it... I am a little intimidated to do it because it looks so difficult.
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Hi Brendasassy & everyone
Sun salutation is off course a good start for beginners.. for eveyone..no worry at all.. Sun salutation represents a rejuvenating and powerful practice which can be practiced alone or as a warm up practice before asana practice. There is a saying that, if we have very limited time in practicing yoga, sun salutation is the only yoga practice that we can do in lieu of the actual asana practice. As it stretches and strengthens all the major muscles groups and spine in various ways. Hence, regular practice improves the limberness and flexibility of muscles and joint as well as increases the overall health and well being.
There are different variations or styles of Sun salutation being taught nowadays by different school of yoga. For the beginners, I will advise to go with the most basic yet traditional sun salutation which consists of a flowing series of 12 yoga postures.....
For beginner, may be at first break down the series & learn one pose at a time in order to familiarise and understand the proper method and alignment for each pose. As synchronised breathing is very important, but for beginners may be can proceed slowly first to the full flow of sequence pose by pose without breath awareness first but only normaly breathing. This is due to a novice may find it rather difficult to retain their breath and do the postures simultaneously with breathing. Once they have familiar with the pose, then learn to synchronise the breath with the body movements. It is important for the beginners to approach Sun Salutation with patience and consistently in order to build up the stamina and familiar with the posture first. They can start by doing four rounds and gradually increase the number of rounds based on their own physical capabilities. They should avoid go too deeply into poses and over straining and stretching and stop immediately if they face any pain or discomfort and juts resting in child pose or corpse pose.
Indeed, i hv just finished my study for the basic traditional sun salutation with each pose technique & associated benefits, i wl post it later.. as i have done through my own research & all my past experience, i would very appreciate some senior practitioners in this forum can correct & advise me if i hv indicate something incorrectly...
Thanks thanks thanks...
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Yogas Chitta-Vritti-Nirodha
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hi all
The Sanskrit word surya means sun, Namaskar is the Hindi word for Namaste and nam means to bow. Namaskar literally means to salute, greet or praise. Putting together, Surya Namaskar is to salute the sun or what we call as Sun Salutation. Surya Namaskar is a series of 12 physical postures practiced in a single, graceful flowing movement along with synchronised breathing.
The benefits of Surya Namaskar are uncountable. It improves all the bodily systems such as circulation and heart, digestive system, respiratory system, nervous system, endocrine systems and etc. It increases the circulation of the whole body and the bloods are oxygenated during the practice and this is good for our heart and cardio-vascular system. The alternate stretching and compression of the abdominal organs enhances the digestive function and alleviate ailments in this area such as constipation, indigestion and etc. It also strengthens the abdominal muscles and eliminating excess abdominal fats. The practice of Surya Namaskar expands the ribcage, ventilates and increases the capacity of the lungs. It also soothes the nervous system and promotes better sleep and calms anxiety, stress and tension. Furthermore, it regulates and activates all endocrine glands such as thyroid gland pancreas, pituitary and adrenals to function normally.
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Yogas Chitta-Vritti-Nirodha
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1)Pranamasana
(Prayer pose) |
Normal breath (Inhale & Exhale) |
Stand erect with feet together and palm together in prayer pose, hands place at the center of the chest. |
This pose balances and calms your body and mind, cultivates awareness and develops a state of introversion & concentration. It activates the thymus glands.
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2) Hasta uttanasana
(Raise arm pose) |
Inhale |
Raise and stretch both arms over the head; gently arch backward.
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This posture opens our heart, expands ribcage capacities and stretches the shoulders, neck, arms, and abdominal muscles. This pose makes the spine supple and stimulates the function of thyroid and parathyroid.
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3) Padahastasana (Hand to feet Pose) |
Exhale |
Bend forward from hips, put your hands on the floor; keep the legs straight and touch your forehead to knee. |
This head down pose increase the blood flow to the spinal cord, facial muscles, eyes and brain. It stretches and tones the legs muscles especially hamstrings and calves This posture also reduces abdominal fat and increases the digestion functions as it massages the abdominal organs, especially the liver, kidneys, pancreas, adrenals, uterus and ovaries. This pose also good for women in rectify females disorders such as prolapse and menstrual irregularities
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4) Ashwa Sanchalanasana
(Lunge pose) |
Inhale |
Step the right leg backward and drop the knee down; keep the hands flat on the floor with the left foot between the hands. Raise the head. |
This pose opens the chest, strengthens the muscles of legs, quadriceps, buttock, abdomen and neck, lengthens the spine, stretches hip flexor and loosens tight hips. It also regulates the thyroid glands and improves eyesight. |
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5) Kumbhakasana
(Plank pose) |
Hold |
Move your left leg backward and place it next to the right leg. Keep your buttocks, thighs and abdomen lifted and body forms a diagonal line from heels to the head. |
This pose strengthens our core muscles i.e. the upper body, abdominal, and low-back muscle. |
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6) Ashtanga Namaskara (Salutation with eight limbs)
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Exhale
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Lower down your body by dropping eight limbs i.e. toes, knees, chest, hands, chin touch the floor. Elbow aside and buttocks are kept up. |
This posture strengthens the legs, abdomen, back, arms and wrist. It also increases flexibility and releases tension in the neck and shoulder. Furthermore, this pose stimulates reproductive glands, alleviates abdominal ailments such as constipation and enhances appetitive. |
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7) Bhujangasana
(Cobra pose) |
Inhale |
Gently slide the body forward and upwards with the hands while hips and lower abdomen on the ground. Elbow beside, arch the spine & raise the head up. |
This pose expands the chest and increases blood circulation to the abdominal organs thus relieving digestive disorders such as constipation, indigestion, kidney and liver problems. It is very helpful in relieving tension in the back muscles and spinal nerves. Thus promotes low-back flexibility and stimulates spinal nerves.
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8) Adho Mukha Svanasana
(Downward facing dog) |
Exhale |
Push back your body and lift the hips forms an upward arch. Heels down; keep the arms between the head and palm firmly on the floor. |
This yoga posture stretches the upper body (shoulders, shoulder blades, arms, wrist, hands) and lower body (hips, hamstring, calves, knees and ankles). Furthermore, it strengthens the spinal nerves, improve circulation, stimulate blood circulation to the brain, strengthen the heart, and relieve the tension in the neck and shoulder.
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9) Ashwa Sanchalanasana
(Lunge pose) |
Inhale |
Step the right leg forward; keep the hands and feet firmly on the ground, with the left foot between the hands. Raise the head. |
Same as (4) |
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10)Padahastasana (Hand to feet Pose) |
Exhale |
Bring your left foot forward and bend forward, bring your hands touch the floor, keeps the knees straight. |
Same as (3) |
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11) Hasta uttanasana
(Raise arm pose) |
Inhale |
Raise the arms upward. Slowly bend backward, stretching arms above the heads. |
Same as (2) |
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12) Pranamasana
(Prayer pose) |
Exhale |
Bring the palm together in prayer pose, hands place at the center of the chest. |
Same as (1) |
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Yogas Chitta-Vritti-Nirodha
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Hello Jen,
Sorry for the late(er) reply to your question. I think it can be important to focus on keeping things simple. The rational mind often gets caught up in so many things, and alas that nature is just another obstacle. How ironic.
The question you pose ultimately is best posed to those who teacher trained you. In that way you stay consistent with whatever lineage you were magnetized to in the first place.
Additionally there are some things in asana that are inherently wrong but there are many things that differ from one practice or style to the next, from one intention or purpose to the next. This one is not inherently "wrong" if the student at this stage of his practice is unable to correct it. That is acceptance and is absolutely a part of yoga practice. But it is also appropriate to continue to work toward (something) the pose or transition.
In Purna Yoga we do the classical surya namaskar. There is no chaturanga dandasana in that version. Far too many students do the pose improperly, do it too often, carry too much body weight and as such they sacrifice a set of four muscles known as the infraspinatus, the supraspinatus, teres minor and subscapularis.
However, having done that version of SN and having taken classes in a variety of disciplines before my immersion in Purna I do believe the student is ideally expected to move from Chaturanga Dandasana to Urdhva Mukha Svanasana without bringing the knees down. It is, anatomically speaking, a function of upper body strength and proper muscle fiber enlistment. Again, if the student is not yet prepared for such a thing, forcing it could facilitate injury. That is where your teacher or peers or manual comes in to the equation.
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JenFerdy posted the following on Tuesday 15th January 2008
Hello,
I am new to this site, what a wonderful resource! I have a question: In class last night one of my students asked me if he was doing this wrong, in sun salutation, his knees touch the mat during his transition from Chaturanga Dandasana to Upward facing dog. Is this something he should be trying to correct? Is it better to keep the knees off of the mat completely? (During updog his knees are OFF the mat.)
Any input would be appreciated!
Namaste!
Jennifer
NY
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Yoga is everywhere and nowhere at all
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Gordon Kaplan
Certified Purna Yoga Teacher
RYT-500; IAYT
http://www.innerathlete.net
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